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costas

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Posted - 09/02/2013 :  00:41:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,
Half of year passed since I made an upgrade on the ELNEC program. I have renounced at the old LabProg 48LV (firstly bought) and I bought the Beeprog 2C from the same producer. I was very disappointed by the acquisition. I expected that the new product will continue the job done by the old one without new charges. I was surpised to find out that in order to access a memory type whcic has 10-15 years i have to buy an specialized adaptor which cost about 10-20% of the program. Moreover, for a lot of integrated circuits you have to buy 2 adapters. Also, for some serial flash with 8 pins you have to buy adapters- it works without on Seeprog but you have to buy one with Beeprog 2C. ( The new adapters are protected with Dallas DS2432 , do not try to read this Dallas with Beeprog because destroy the adapter )
I belive that the new market policy of ELNEC is not correct towards the clients:
1. when you buy the program you are not aware of the new business strategy;
2. The cost on the new adaptor is very high compared with the program (between 10-30% of the program value).
3. The trend is that for every memory you need to buy special adapter for any software upgrade; you are surprised to read you can not access the same memory acessed one month before with the same programmer unless you buy a special adapter;
4. acquisition time is very high. for the last adapter i waited 8 weeks . Using the option "Quick!" 2-5 days (real 7-10 days) has much higher costs!
5. lack of a minimum package of specialized adapters that the programmer can use a "low cost" $ 100;
6. I didnít find on the ELNEC site a list to present assigned to each adapter the specialized kind of memory that can be accessed, in order to buy the most common adapters instead of the more specialized ones.
Honestly now I'm going to buy me another programmer Although I considered myself a original ELNEC fan for almost 20 years...

The fact is that currently can not use Beeprog 2C than at the level of "ponyprog" without making an investment of a few hundred euros ... (I never allowed him to compare with Hobbist site for the Willem Willem I managed to read some of the memories attached list).
Short list :
M25P10V [SOIC8-150]
AT25DF041A [SOIC8-150]
SST39VF3201 [TSOP48]
AT49LV320 [TSOP48]
AT49LH00B4 [PLCC32]
M50FLW080A [PLCC32]
AM 28/29F200-800 [PSOP44]
I put down a brief list of some circuit that I have not actually been able to access due to lack of adapters, memory that you have read successfully with old Lab Prog using a universal adapter ( the complete list is very long though).
Believe me that was I placed in embarrassing situations with the client for which I had to deny or postpone his service on the same equipment that i serviced one year ago! the client does not understand what kind of upgrade I made so that now i canít serve him!!!. .. (Admit I made the mistake of quickly selling old Lab Prog).
In the short list you will see that it in not about antique memories (i.e. 2716) or memories for extreme tensions. There are actual memories that are used on the market today but were probably produced about 10 years ago.
As a personal opinion, to buy an original ELNEC Beeprog is more of a scam than buying a Chinese clone of the product! If you want to buy the program honestly and correctly you are taken as a fool!

In these conditions if i am asked I can make only negative advertise for ELNEC policy and products.

Costas

Edited by - costas on 09/02/2013 00:42:25
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benaknoun

Spain
133 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2017 :  01:07:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Costas

Thank you for this information.
Not very cool from Elnec, it seems they want to make money on selling adapters...
Is it not possible to use universal adapters on the Elnec Beeprog2c ?
If you don't want to use this brand anymore, which other powerful programmer would you recommend instead?
I am currently using the Wellon VP990 and i am thinking of buying the VP998 or the Beeprog2C from Elnec

Thanks
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ZLM

2923 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2017 :  12:44:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All those chips are supported on GQ-4x4.

M25P10V [SOIC8-150]
AT25DF041A [SOIC8-150]
SST39VF3201 [TSOP48]
AT49LV320 [TSOP48]
AT49LH00B4 [PLCC32]
M50FLW080A [PLCC32]
AM 28/29F200-800 [PSOP44]
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anniel

1996 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  08:09:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benaknoun

Hi Costas

Thank you for this information.
Not very cool from Elnec, it seems they want to make money on selling adapters...
Is it not possible to use universal adapters on the Elnec Beeprog2c ?
If you don't want to use this brand anymore, which other powerful programmer would you recommend instead?
I am currently using the Wellon VP990 and i am thinking of buying the VP998 or the Beeprog2C from Elnec

Thanks



The Elnec adapters are non-standard.
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anniel

1996 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  08:10:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ZLM

All those chips are supported on GQ-4x4.

M25P10V [SOIC8-150]
AT25DF041A [SOIC8-150]
SST39VF3201 [TSOP48]
AT49LV320 [TSOP48]
AT49LH00B4 [PLCC32]
M50FLW080A [PLCC32]
AM 28/29F200-800 [PSOP44]




Yes but the BeeProg2C can test TTL/CMOS logic ICs and memories as well.
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