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simeon

United Kingdom
79 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2009 :  13:09:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i note and downloaded topwin v6
first the site state's it's compatable with top2009 and 3x
however its XX top win any top

same config problems sorry

same lack of eprom proper vcc for blank and write varify at 5v and 6.25v cmos 5v and 6v nmos directives at least or even add a box?>??

i think ill hack there exe and add the box routines its getting that long

i know they maybe dont see the use but they are destroying there market abroud by not having some sort of quality control of sensitive files like chip configs
that affect even the running vcc level of a chip

ive seen even in this version 6 5 errors so far that will blow up the chip as the vcc is set to 5v for a 3.3v chip {same as before}
and even in there new programmers for usb 2


same old complaint

different nicer software that does what it should with win vista
afterall its only a few changes between vista and xp&< : in c++
i know i do it all day .....
there are also free auto conversion tools
some functions in c++ were renamed to stop unfilled buffers thats ALL
appart from how they are and were difined


so whats the problems with the configs

its simple

WE arent sharring findings in a logical way
and this will piss the chinese off

and they arent adding a simple set of three boxes
avalible in the config tab when using the top for programming
cmos nmos eporms
so we are ALL its customers left to adjust the config file
for one off programming
i know i can pick 5 eproms out the bucket they are all the same size
but different makers
so the solution is to fix the main set of config variables 'generic'
and set them up as needed
THEN make a copy and merge it if you update the software from there site
ive said before i use 3 file sets


and so it goes on

i wont be buying another top programmer its just too much hasle

i will get something much better maybe the later dataman models
back to adding to the v6 config again ...what a piss take

they are simply selling the same light bulb again

machine toshiba equium laptop usb only type
p5b asus main machine
thinking of adding dual lpt pci card
both used for top and lpt via usb where i can

old p2 programming grumbling tank with xp sp3 for true serial and lpt

all machines bios set to enable bios plug and play aware o/s and lpt spollers services and drivers removed
legacy detection enabled

Edited by - simeon on 09/10/2009 13:18:01
Reply #1

simeon

United Kingdom
79 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2009 :  14:05:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
taken from top2049 device config file

applies to top XX programmers eprom default config
you can also add delay factors so get to know your eproms

most makers 120ns chips need a 100ms or 200ms delay
i use 1ms so so far in there software
you can add ,dly=1 or 2 or 3 etc for 100us 200us 1ms
delay = 100us good for faster than 100ns chips
delay = 200us better for faster than or equal to 120ns chips
delay = 1ms seems good for pics i see lots of dly=3
etc


open your programmer config file
found in the C:\Top\Topwin6
as
device2049 device2007 etc...
youll see the generic eproms section of the config file
near the top of the file

just copy and paste to overwrite there generic settings
this applies to only the generic section of the choices
as there 'run' as chip select menu

youll see it will now program the chip !!!
you can try first if you like with no adjustments
but programming will fail after a few or less bytes,,


#EPROM-???
EPR ??? 2716-12.7V,P27 1,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2716-21V,P27 2,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2716-25V,P27 3,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2732-12.7V,P27 4,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2732-21V,P27 5,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2732-25V,P27 6,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2764-12.7V,P27 7,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27C64-12.7V,P27 7,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 2764-21V,P27 8,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 2764-25V,P27 9,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27128-12.7V,P27 10,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27C128-12.7V,P27 10,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27128-21V ,P27 11,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27C128-21V ,P27 11,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27256-12.7V,P27 13,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27C256-12.7V,P27 13,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27512-12.7V,P27 14,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27C512-12.7V,P27 14,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27513-12.7V,P27 15,vcc=6000
EPR ??? 27C513-12.7V,P27 15,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27C010-12.7V,P27 16,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27C020-12.7V,P27 17,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27C040-12.7V,P27 18,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27C080-12.7V,P27 19,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27C801-12.7V ,P27 19,vcc=6250
EPR ??? 27C210 ,I27CX 2 ,mem=2,vcc=6250,pkg=2048,dly=4,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C220 ,I27CX 2 ,mem=3,vcc=6250,pkg=2048,dly=2,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C240 ,I27CX 3 ,mem=4,vcc=6250,pkg=4096,dly=1,we0=69,
--------
EPR ??? 27C1024 ,I27CX 2 ,mem=2,vcc=6250,pkg=2048,dly=2,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C2048 ,I27CX 2 ,mem=3,vcc=6250,pkg=2048,dly=2,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C4096 ,I27CX 3 ,mem=4,vcc=6250,pkg=4096,dly=2,we0=69,
--------
EPR ??? 27C1100,I27CX 1 ,mem=2,vcc=6250,pkg=4801,dly=1,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C2100,I27CX 1 ,mem=3,vcc=6250,pkg=4801,dly=1,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C4100,I27CX 1 ,mem=4,vcc=6250,pkg=4801,dly=1,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C8100,I27CX 1 ,mem=5,vcc=6250,pkg=4801,dly=1,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27C160 ,I27CX 1 ,mem=6,vcc=6250,pkg=4801,dly=1,we0=69,
EPR ??? 27V160 ,I27CX 1 ,mem=6,vcc=3300,pkg=4801,dly=1,we0=69,
--------
EPR ??? M27C4002 ,I27CX 3 ,mem=4,vcc=6250,pkg=4096,dly=1,we0=69,
EPR ??? M27W402 ,I27CX 2 ,mem=4,vcc=3300,pkg=2048,dly=1,we0=69,

machine toshiba equium laptop usb only type
p5b asus main machine
thinking of adding dual lpt pci card
both used for top and lpt via usb where i can

old p2 programming grumbling tank with xp sp3 for true serial and lpt

all machines bios set to enable bios plug and play aware o/s and lpt spollers services and drivers removed
legacy detection enabled

Edited by - simeon on 09/10/2009 14:08:27
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TB

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2009 :  15:04:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey

I've been looking into these top programmers. on their website www.top2048.com the have a device list from the top2009 that works with topwin6. Is this the top2049 if not can anyone direct me to a site which stocks the top2009.

thankyou

Troy
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Reply #3

Henry

Portugal
17 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  02:42:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi there Simon, can you put hear the list of vcc of a 29f010 and 010b of your top software?humm my is with vcc 5000 and its not working...gives again error of verify, and if i want to read the eeprom the checsum its always diferent, only f i turn the vcc to 3300, i can read correctly, but not program...:(

Thanks...
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simeon

United Kingdom
79 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  23:44:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
that ic needs the correct voltages or it will lock out writes

look here from its datasheet

VCC Supply Voltage. The VCC Supply Voltage
supplies the power for all operations (Read, Program,
Erase etc.).
The Command Interface is disabled when the VCC
Supply Voltage is less than the Lockout Voltage,
VLKO. This prevents Bus Write operations from accidentally
damaging the data during power up,
power down and power surges. If the Program/
Erase Controller is programming or erasing during
this time then the operation aborts and the memory
contents being altered will be invalid.


and this chip will NOT flash easily
you can flash it however it will fail to varify

becouse there software doesnt have seperate read and write voltage settings
if you look at the symantics of this ic youll see this
{ie lockout supply needs to be below 4.2v and above 3.2}
for normal operation of the ic
but needs to be <4.2v to read and active bus commands
im not sure how the programmer will address the chip to do this
as it needs to move the voltage to 4.2v to varify
without data damage
address the commands then move it back to 5v to read it
and there software and maybe the people who write it
dont seem to have the brains yet....

machine toshiba equium laptop usb only type
p5b asus main machine
thinking of adding dual lpt pci card
both used for top and lpt via usb where i can

old p2 programming grumbling tank with xp sp3 for true serial and lpt

all machines bios set to enable bios plug and play aware o/s and lpt spollers services and drivers removed
legacy detection enabled

Edited by - simeon on 09/28/2009 23:50:08
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Henry

Portugal
17 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  01:09:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
:) lol, good explanation, thanks, so its nothing to do about it :(, i got a top2049 new, that only works with 27c256, 87c256, etc, the eeprom that i usualy uses dont work :), simeon thanks for all the answers that you give :)

Have a nice day..

Henrique
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simeon

United Kingdom
79 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  14:19:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes henry

it will work but not with that software as is
it has very little programming algurithms for eepoms

you can flash them easy anyway using a very simple eeprom programmer

the very cheep 18$+$6.50 usb/parallel willem but you need a pci lpt port card if your machine is usb/com only
or you can get pcmcia cards on ebay for lpt for laptops
i use it for good advice
both together will flash just about anything
i also use a picall later version programmer and also a gal programer does pal also

i got out my scrap box an old very mcu tmp80C39Ap it flashed fine!!! in the top
over 17 years old ic
now runs my lcd clock as the mcu it has was gubbed no other one seems to support it easily

the top will program some fast eproms better but seems by type
you need to chill some types of chip i found ST chips need to be at around 0c to program well anyway
with either
the software did however program one chip i had used before but failed

i dedicated the failure to not having removed all usb devices
other than the programmer
from the same controller
most pc has atleast two so use another for the mouse etc
and better not to program and move the mouse etc

i also set the system processor in windows to background service
and the ram use to programs
and set a system mangaged swap file size
the top has worked with most ic's
and its ttl detection has worked wonders in other work in doing on a pedulum timer board ..




machine toshiba equium laptop usb only type
p5b asus main machine
thinking of adding dual lpt pci card
both used for top and lpt via usb where i can

old p2 programming grumbling tank with xp sp3 for true serial and lpt

all machines bios set to enable bios plug and play aware o/s and lpt spollers services and drivers removed
legacy detection enabled

Edited by - simeon on 09/29/2009 15:11:57
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simeon

United Kingdom
79 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  15:10:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok i worked out its quite easy

to write/erase set to vcc = 5v and just dont varify it untick the box
or better just use write

then set the voltage to 3.6v and varify
try that

im sure looking this is right
i think varify needs to be 4.2v or less or chip is erased

this is my interpritation of this problem

machine toshiba equium laptop usb only type
p5b asus main machine
thinking of adding dual lpt pci card
both used for top and lpt via usb where i can

old p2 programming grumbling tank with xp sp3 for true serial and lpt

all machines bios set to enable bios plug and play aware o/s and lpt spollers services and drivers removed
legacy detection enabled
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Henry

Portugal
17 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  15:47:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok i will try :) thanks my friend :)

and you talk about a williem, everybody talks that top is better but one day i have a williem and never give me any problem...i seell the wiiliem for take the top2049...bad buy...:(


thax :)
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Henry

Portugal
17 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2009 :  05:47:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi Simeon, i just want some hel, i am gonna buy a new williem, the top is not working well, what wiilliem better to buy? the newest usb willeim eprom its good?working wellwith 29f010? thanks ;)


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simeon

United Kingdom
79 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2009 :  01:42:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
im sure it will work fine

the guys who build it seem to have made a nice job
and its well supported {knowone has complained and this is a good sign}


machine toshiba equium laptop usb only type
p5b asus main machine
thinking of adding dual lpt pci card
both used for top and lpt via usb where i can

old p2 programming grumbling tank with xp sp3 for true serial and lpt

all machines bios set to enable bios plug and play aware o/s and lpt spollers services and drivers removed
legacy detection enabled
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Henry

Portugal
17 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2009 :  15:31:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi :(, i just buy one g540 device programer...rzrzrz again bad buy, i cant reprogram 29f010 :( anyone knows someting about this?
thanks
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Reply #12

ixlman

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2009 :  13:36:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have found that Version 6 Top software will not erase 28F020 devices. I had to go back to version 5!
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osvaldo

Argentina
148 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2009 :  19:05:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hola si es verdad lo del Henry G540 tiene programado es el problema tenes que devolver o llevárselo a quien se lo compraste eso pasa por que tiene un imcoveniente en el BIOS del programador hay q flashar el BIOS para poder solucionarlo eso fue lo que me paso a mi . otra ante todo probaste con 29F010

osvaldo tecnico
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MarkellJA

4 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2014 :  11:54:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hello

MikellYG
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